Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast

Leadership thinker and author Dan Pontefract joins Zoë to explore the demographic forces reshaping the future of work. With ageing populations and declining birth rates, the question is simple: are organisations ready? Drawing on The Future of Work Is Gray, Dan reframes ageing as a strategic advantage, not a liability. The conversation explores ageism, longevity, and outdated career ladders, offering practical alternatives like phased retirement, career "canvases," and new ways to value experience at work. Kickstarter link: Support Olympus Dawn (Gaia Series finale) Key Quotes "Demographics isn't ideology, it's just math." - Dan Pontefract "The future of work isn't a ladder. It's a canvas." - Dan Pontefract "We're living longer, but our systems haven't caught up." - Dan Pontefract "Aging is not the problem. Ignoring it is." - Zoë Routh Questions Asked What does declining fertility mean for the future of work and leadership? Why are organisations unprepared for an ageing workforce? How does ageism quietly dra

In this episode of The Future of Leadership, host Zoë Routh reflects on the idea of place, how where we are shapes who we become, prompted by Australia Day and the launch of Olympus Dawn, the final book in her Gaia series. Go to the Kickstarter campaign here:  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zoerouth/olympus-dawn-the-complete-gaia-series-finale Zoë is joined by Richard Anderson, a microbiologist and science-fiction author whose work sits at the intersection of evolution, ethics, and humanity's future beyond Earth. Richard shares his journey from writing about the origins of life to imagining what it might truly take to live and govern on Mars. Together, they explore the biological realities of space living, from food production to gravity, and move into deeper territory: the ethics of AI sentience, the risks of disinformation, and the leadership and governance challenges that emerge when technology evolves faster than social systems. The conversation considers what responsibility looks like when human su

Leadership change isn't always loud. Sometimes it's quiet, disorienting, and deeply personal. In this episode, Zoë Routh returns to the podcast after a six-month break to explore what she calls The Chrysalis Concept, a leadership transition phase where old identities dissolve before new ones take shape. This conversation is for leaders navigating: -career transitions later in life -burnout after success -identity shifts beyond titles and roles -uncertainty about "what's next" -redefining retirement, contribution, and purpose Zoë reflects on stepping back from work that no longer fit, relocating cities, letting go of certainty, and resisting the pressure to reinvent too quickly. Instead, she offers a different lens on leadership transformation, one that values listening, curiosity, and emergence over answers and action plans. The episode also includes an exclusive opening excerpt from Olympus Dawn, the final book in the Gaia science-fiction series, now live on Kickstarter. If you're in a season of transition,

I'm back! After a crazy half year of transition, adventure, and being in the murky mess of a 'chrysalis' experience, I've surfaced for some insights for you to wrap up 2025.  Here's what's up for you: A process for reflection that uses visual representation of your last twelve months A reflective practice that will surface insights for next year How to make use of these insights in a practical way. My own updates: Travel, adventure, heartbreak, moving house: it's the bitter sweetnes of not yet and not anymore. Enjoy! Zoë     

We explore the future of inclusive leadership with Kelli Lester, co-founder of Onyx Rising. Zoë opens with reflections on ageing, robotics in aged care, and the value of connection. And introduces Kelli, who shares insight on navigating today’s polarised workplace and equipping leaders for diverse, resilient teams. Kelli unpacks the backlash against DEI programs, reframing them as essential business strategies rather than politically charged mandates. She explores how organisations can move beyond performative initiatives by anchoring their diversity efforts in clear objectives—be it talent, innovation, or community alignment. This conversation covers emotional and cultural intelligence, generational divides, psychological safety, and the systemic barriers to inclusion. Practical frameworks like Kelli’s seven inclusive leadership traits provide a tangible pathway to fostering a thriving, human-centred workplace. SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/leading-through-difference Planet Human: Robo

We explore the power of systems thinking and strategic foresight with futurist Donna Dupont, as we challenge assumptions about leadership, innovation, and our collective future. Zoë shares an exciting update on her new book Power Games launching on Kickstarter, and we dive into the emerging vision of a moon-based data centre and what it means for the future of digital infrastructure. In this episode, Donna brings clarity to the often-misunderstood world of foresight work. She breaks down how mapping complexity, anticipatory thinking, and systems framing can shift the way leaders respond to crises, craft policy, and design for change. From Arctic policy to leadership development, this conversation unpacks how to lead with deeper awareness in an increasingly unpredictable world. SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/regenerating-teams-from-inside-out  Planet Human: LoneStar’s moonshot: Data centres on the lunar surface by 2025 https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/lonestars-moonshot-firm-aim

We explore the vital intersection of organisational design, leadership culture, and power dynamics with special guest Susannah Robinson, author of Beyond the Boxes and Lines. Zoë kicks off the episode with exciting updates on the Power Games Kickstarter campaign and a groundbreaking Planet Human segment on brain-computer interfaces that enable near real-time speech interpretation for paralysed individuals. Then we dive into the conversation with Susannah, who brings over 30 years of HR and organisational design experience. She shares practical frameworks for rethinking job roles, enhancing collaboration, and resolving structural friction in organisations. Together, we unpack what causes cultural breakdowns, the consequences of poorly implemented matrix structures, and why flatter hierarchies may not be the magic bullet many leaders believe they are. SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/organisational-design Planet Human: Brain implant enables a paralysed woman’s thoughts to be streamed into sp

We explore the future of ownership, wealth, and rewriting the rules of capitalism with Elle Griffin, founder of The Elysian and author of the upcoming book We Should Own the Economy. Zoë shares updates on her recent bushwalking adventure and the exciting Kickstarter launch for her new book Power Games. Then, she welcomes Elle, a visionary writer reshaping the conversation on who truly benefits from economic systems. Elle shares her journey from journalist to entrepreneurial writer, how she built multiple revenue streams on Substack, and why she believes ownership—not employment—is the real source of power. We unpack the risks and rewards of decentralising ownership, how employee-owned companies could transform wealth distribution, and what fiction can do to help us imagine better futures. This conversation dives deep into economic systems, leadership identity, and why utopian thinking is more urgent than ever. SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/utopian-concepts  Planet Human: China enters th

We explore the future of communication through the lens of conflict, with Lena Morgan, former midwife turned conflict resolution specialist. Zoë shares updates from Planet Human, reflecting on the scathing insights from the Edelman Trust Barometer and her return from the Australian Alpine Walking Track. The Kickstarter for her latest book, Power Games, is on the horizon. Then we welcome Lena Morgan, creator of The Fight Languages. Lena unpacks how understanding our instinctive conflict responses can turn tension into connection. Drawing on her experience in high-stress environments, she shares how organisations can transform culture by decoding these ‘fight languages.’ This episode delves into how somatic intelligence, leadership presence, and emotional fluency are crucial in today’s polarised environments.   SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/conflict-resolution-fight-languages    Power Games: https://www.zoerouth.com/power-games Zoë's Substack: https://substack.com/@zoerouth Planet Human:

In this milestone 400th episode, I reflect on nine years of podcasting and the extraordinary leadership lessons I’ve gathered along the way. I explore the show's enduring themes—wise leadership, effective teamwork, and self-mastery—and celebrate the voices that have challenged and expanded my thinking. I revisit pivotal interviews, including a profoundly perspective-shifting conversation with non-binary advocate Yenn Purkis, and highlight standout episodes across three categories: moving stories, practical leadership tools, and game-changing insights. From ultra-endurance athlete Laura Marshall to leadership futurists like James Surwillo and Brett King, each guest has added a unique thread to this rich tapestry of leadership wisdom.  

We explore the courage to confront tyranny and the roots of empathy through personal legacy and historical insight. Zoë shares reflections on billionaire-owned media and the future of truth-seeking in journalism, and updates us on her Australian Alpine walking track adventure and upcoming Kickstarter for Power Games. Then, we welcome Dr. Robert Wolf, author of Not a Real Enemy, a gripping biography of his father’s extraordinary journey through Nazi and Communist Hungary. Rob shares the harrowing yet hopeful story of his father’s four-time escape from tyranny, how he rebuilt his life as a doctor in America, and why this story of resilience, compassion, and miracles needs to be told now more than ever. Together, we explore the enduring impact of antisemitism, the challenge of confronting hate in all its forms, and the role of storytelling in forging empathy and leadership.   SHOWNOTES are here: ​​https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/truth-seeking-journalism     Power Games: https://www.zoerouth.com/power-games My

We dive into the world of operational excellence and visionary leadership with guest Emma Rainville, author of Scope and founder of Shockwave. Zoë shares updates on her Australian Alpine walking track adventure and the behind-the-scenes of the Power Games Kickstarter launch. On Planet Human, she explores the unfolding Tesla brand rebellion and the deeper lessons on leadership, marketing, and impact. Emma brings a compelling perspective on how to scale businesses by bringing calm to chaos. She outlines the WAVE framework—Written Vision, Absolute Focus, Values-driven Future, and Execution Plan—and offers practical, transformative advice for any leader serious about delivering big ideas, sustainably and profitably. Together, they examine the future of AI in operations, culture-building through psychological safety, and why mentorship—not management—is the secret sauce of visionary success. SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/operational-excellence   My new Substack: https://substack.com/@zoerout

We explore the revolutionary idea of designing your work life by starting with what matters most—your life. Zoë shares updates on her Australian Alpine walking track adventure, her latest developments with the Power Play game based on her book Power Games, and her new home for content on Substack. Then, we welcome Tim Duggan—award-winning author, media entrepreneur, and columnist for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age. Tim shares thoughtful insights from his latest book Work Backwards, which challenges conventional notions of success and offers a practical framework for aligning your life, money, and work. He explores emerging work trends including “coffee badging” and “conscious unbossing,” and reflects on how a personal turning point reshaped his entire approach to life and leadership. This conversation is an invitation to pause, reconsider what matters, and take deliberate action toward a more meaningful way of working.   SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/designing-work-and-money   

We explore the power of challenging assumptions and building regenerative societies with innovative software called Regen. I also share updates on my upcoming Australian Alpine walking track adventure and my latest novels. Then, I welcome Scott Marshall, President and CEO of the Semester at Sea. Scott shares insights into the program’s impact on students’ understanding of global cultures and how it fosters curiosity and personal growth. He also provides practical advice for fostering intercultural sensitivity in the workplace. This episode dives deep into experiential education, leadership, and creating inclusive environments SHOWNOTES are here: https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/legal-challenges-workplace-dynamics Key Quotes: "When we expose ourselves to diverse perspectives, we expand our understanding of the world and ourselves." – Zoë Routh "Curiosity pushes us into spaces of discomfort, and that’s where we grow." – Scott Marshall "We can’t just assume that a one-day workshop on diversity will transform a w

We dive into the evolving landscape of workplace expectations, legal challenges, and leadership dynamics with HR legal specialist David Dilger.  We explore the rise of corporate paternalism, the increasing recognition of psychosocial hazards, and the importance of transparency in decision-making. The conversation covers the changing nature of workplace disputes, the growing demand for psychological safety, and the role of leaders in balancing empathy and directness. We also examine the future of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives, the push for workplace flexibility post-COVID, and the impact of AI on leadership and communication.   SHOWNOTES are here: http://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/navigating-workplace-dynamics-legal-challenges   Planet Human: ​Avride's autonomous robots now deliver Uber Eats orders. https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/13/avride-launches-sidewalk-delivery-bots-on-uber-eats-in-jersey-city/   Key Quotes: "When decision-making is transparent, assumptions die in a dirty ditch." – Zo

We explore the power of self-managing teams, innovation ecosystems, and the art of consensus-building with John Taylor McIntyre, the Founder and Chief Empowerment Officer of Mutual Prosperity. We discuss his unique upbringing in a multicultural home, his journey through theatre, and his experiences in Japan that shaped his leadership philosophy. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including the challenge of breaking the ‘Curse of Babel’ in organisations, the importance of Nemawashi for effective decision-making, and how businesses can scale leadership while fostering autonomy. SHOWNOTES are here: http://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/leadership-wisdom Planet Human: China creates world's first two-way brain-computer interface. https://interestingengineering.com/science/worlds-first-2-way-bci-china Join the Power Games advance notice here: https://www.zoerouth.com/power-games Key Quotes: "When we align our language, we unlock collaboration." – John Taylor McIntyre "Leadership is not about control; it’s a

Zoë Routh welcomes Candice DeVille, co-founder and CEO of AI CoPilot, to discuss the impact and practical applications of AI tools in personal and professional settings. They explore how AI can enhance efficiency, improve decision-making, and create opportunities for business leaders. Candice shares insights into AI’s geopolitical landscape, the importance of diverse perspectives in AI development, and how leaders can implement AI to streamline business operations. The conversation also covers the ethical considerations of AI, its evolving capabilities, and how businesses can develop a strategic AI roadmap. Additionally, Zoë recommends Tough Broad by Caroline Paul, an inspiring read on outdoor adventure for women. SHOWNOTES are here.  https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/ai-power-practical-strategies-for-leaders Key Quotes “The challenge for leaders isn’t just keeping up with AI—it’s making smart, strategic choices about where to use it." – Zoë Routh "The best use of AI is not to replace people, but to augment w

This episode explores the power of mental toughness, high-performance leadership, and resilience with Adam Smith, a retired Special Forces Commando and former Special Operations Group officer. Hosted by Zoë Routh, the conversation delves into what it takes to maintain focus under pressure, lead in extreme conditions, and push beyond personal limits. The discussion covers a range of topics, including the influence of military and police training on decision-making, strategies for performing under high stress, and the mindset shifts necessary to overcome adversity—whether in combat, business, or personal challenges. SHOWNOTES are here. Join the Power Games advance notice here. MagicMind Nootropic: They have a limited offer you can use now, that gets you up to 48% off your first subscription or 20% off one-time purchases with code TFLPOD20 at checkout. You can claim it at: https://www.magicmind.com/TFLPOD Key Quotes “The way you respond under pressure is a direct reflection of the preparation you’ve put in.” —

We explore the evolving conversation around Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) and whether its future is at risk. We dive into the backlash against DEI, what is driving these changes, and how leaders can approach this complex topic with a systemic lens. We have also discussed the latest advancements in brain-computer interfaces, the concept of mental wealth, and strategies to enhance leadership effectiveness. SHOWNOTES are here Key Quotes “More brains equal more magic. DEI is about systemic change, not just representation.” – Zoë Routh “The real question isn’t whether DEI should exist but how it should evolve.” – Zoë Routh “Bias exists. The question is: what systems are we creating to counteract it?” – Zoë Routh Questions Asked 1. How can organisations ensure DEI initiatives drive real change rather than just optics? 2. How do we balance meritocracy with systemic fairness? 3. Are organisations addressing deep-rooted structural issues, or simply applying band-aid solutions? 4. How can we create more inclus

We explore the future of leadership, focusing on cognitive levels, emotional intelligence, and trust with Todd Hollow Bist. We discuss the importance of self-awareness, using presence to regulate emotions, and fostering breakthrough conversations in challenging environments. We consider the role of psychological age in leadership, how dialectic thinking can drive innovation, and practical techniques for building trust and enhancing team dynamics. SHOWNOTES are here.  Key Quotes "Our work begins with understanding, not judgment, seeking common ground through shared strengths." Zoë Routh "The brain wants to grow, but ambiguity and stress can push us down in cognitive levels." – Todd Hollow Bist "Presence is the muscle we use to stay at our best cognitive levels and resist being triggered into reactive behaviour." – Todd Hollow Bist "Leadership is about understanding people at a deeper level—not just what they say, but how they feel about it." – Todd Hollow Bist Questions Asked How can leaders have bre