Money Life With Chuck Jaffe Daily Podcast

With the market melting down Monday and suffering its worst loss in over two years, Bill Stone, chief investment officer at Glenview Trust, says that wary investors are justifiably nervous, but they shouldn't be distracted from their long-term goals, which means staying diversified and invested and looking for opportunities. Stone does warn that the well-publicized opportunities in artificial intelligence may be a bit overblown now; while he believes AI technology will reshape industry and deliver on its enormous potential, he thinks the market has gotten ahead of itself in terms of valuing AI plays. That sentiment is shared by hedge-fund manager Lukasz Tomicki, managing partner at LRT Capital Management, who says in the Market Call segment that he is avoiding most artificial intelligence plays now, noting that the AI "frenzy" has created unreasonable valuations and expectations. Plus, economist Paul Collier discusses his new book, “Left Behind: A New Economics for Neglected Places,” which was released today

Greg McBride, chief financial analyst at BankRate.com, says the details of Friday's jobs report "were the unmistakable signs of a slowing economy," and while a slowdown was expected based on recent trends in the indicators, the latest numbers spooked the market into thinking "maybe this economy isn't as robust we thought, maybe it's slowing a little more than we thought." He notes that the conditions are still far from anything that could be described as awful — the payroll number was still positive — but now the market wants more data to see if the Federal Reserve will have to take more strident steps to avoid a hard landing. David Trainer, president at New Constructs, puts cloud software provider Five9 Inc. in The Danger Zone, noting that the company just made moves to raise cash and get it off the firm's "zombie stock list," but those moves make it more likely that the company is in a business spiral that it can't escape without changing its history of operating losses. Plus, Chuck answers a question from

Craig Callahan, chief executive officer at ICON Advisers, says that since mid-July the market has been entering a "new market with a new theme and new leadership," rotating towards small-cap stocks and broadening out. Beyond small companies, Callahan's value-driven analysis currently favors dividend-paying stocks, gas utilities, life and health and property/casualty insurers too. In the NAVigator segment,  Duncan Farley, portfolio manager on the Developed Markets Special Situations team at RBC BlueBay Asset Management — the manager of the BlueBay Destra International Event-Driven Credit Fund — says  "We're looking at a multi-year high in default rates" and discusses how that will change the credit markets. Plus, Patrick Healey, founder and president at Caliber Financial Partners, talks stock investing now in the Market Call.

Noah Wise, senior portfolio manager at Allspring Global Investments — in one of two interviews focused around Wednesday's Federal Reserve announcement that rate cuts are nearly certain to start next month — says that the economic data has been so strong that it has become "a no-brainer" to cut, which is the ideal situation for making a move in a politically charged environment with a presidential election in sight. He expects the Fed to keep cutting so long as the data keeps moving in the right directions, which positions the current trend to carry well into 2025 without anything worse than a soft landing to disrupt the market. Also discussing the Fed's Wednesday announcement is Dominique Lapointe, director of macro strategy at Manulife Investment Management, who thinks that rate cuts will be a positive but that even if they extend into next year they won't be enough to stop a slow down in the U.S. economy, instead softening the blow of a downturn and blunting its impact when it finally hits. Plus, Todd Rosen

Geoff Dailey, head of U.S. equities at BNP Paribas Asset Management, says in The Big Interview that he thinks "Any pullback should be bought" right now, noting that concerns over the economy, inflation, the strength of the consumer and more will add some volatility but are not likely to derail the market. Meanwhile, he notes that "small-caps in particular are poised for strong performance," noting that a huge valuation gap has emerged between those large-cap companies and the small-cap companies, probably the biggest discount we have seen going back to the financial crisis [of 2008]." He expects the market to broaden out and for small companies to benefit, though he also noted that he prefers large-cap U.S. multi-nationals to going after international investments, noting the market conditions are strong enough to keep domestic stocks ahead of foreign counterparts. Also on the show, behavioral finance expert Meir Statman discusses the emotional issues that have investors ignoring strong economic numbers to see

Marty Fridson, chief investment officer at Lehmann Livian Fridson Advisors, says that while politics dominates the news, it shouldn't be creeping into investors' portfolio moves, as available research shows that market results have proven to be better by riding the market regardless of the party that holds the White House than by trying to strategize around the results of a vote. Fridson also discusses how the current rally in artificial intelligence is reminiscent of the Internet Bubble Days, in that a lot of companies are now benefitting from the market's perception that all AI is good, but that it will soon figure out that many companies getting a boost from the trend aren't the true beneficiaries from it.    Ming Jong Tey, principal trainer at Trade Precise, says the market is at an inflection point, moving away from the Standard & Poor's 500 and the Nasdaq 100 into the small-cap space, and he sees the Russell 2000 currently on a run that shoul;d push it to where it soon challenges previous record hi

Vincent Reinhart, chief economist and macro strategist at Dreyfus - Mellon, says investors should "Never count out recessions," but he notes that the chances of one happening amid current economic strength are low, less than the 15 percent of the time that recessions normally happen. Moreover, he notes that recessions now and in the future may not look the way recessions did before the turn of the century.  New York Times columnist Peter Goodman discusses his new book, "How The World Ran Out of Everything," Bryce Colburn of USA Today Blueprint talks about a recent survey on the "junk fees" that Americans hate the most and, in The Danger Zone, Kyle Guske of New Constructs revisits retailer Wayfair, a zombie stock that may have what shoppers need but which should have investors shopping for alternatives unless they're shopping for a total loss.

Zach Jonson, chief investment officer at Stack Financial Management, says that while the stock market has been moving to record highs, "it wasn't healthy." He says that market valuations are overblown, with concentration in the index being more of a concern than at any time in history, which means that current conditions are lining up with some rare time periods, most notably the tech bubble days of the late 1990s, which ended turning ugly when the bubble burst. That's in contrast with the view from Eric Wallerstein, chief markets strategist at Yardeni Research, who says the Dow Jones Industrial Average will reach 60,000 and the Standard & Poor's 500 will hit 8,000 before the end of the current decade, and while that run could end up ugly at that point, any downturns in the interim are buying opportunities. Plus, John Cole Scott, president of Closed-End Fund Advisors — chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance — provides an update on what's happened with closed-end funds through the first half of

Eric Crittenden, chief investment officer at Standpoint Asset Management, says the market has weakened to where there are no "great, super-strong trends out there," but he thinks the market is entering a transition period where new trends will start and emerge. That transition may not include a recession, Crittenden says, because "the algebra says to me that it's going to be hard to have a recession," due to the government actions that have staved it off and made it hard to forecast what's next. Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, goes with something new as his ETF of the Week focuses on one of the nine new Ethereum funds that debuted earlier this week. Chip Lupo discusses the 2024 Money and Relationships Survey from WalletHub, which showed that nearly 40 percent of Americans have a financial account that their partner doesn’t know about. In the Market Call, Mike Bailey, director of research at FBB Capital Partners, discusses "beat and replace" investing.

Jeffrey Hirsch, chief executive at Hirsch Holdings and editor of the Stock Trader's Almanac — which tracks stock market performance relative to presidential terms and election cycles — says that while the upcoming election is no longer a battle between two second-term presidents, the potential election of a first-term president in Kamala Harris would not result in much change for the market. While first-term presidents historically hit the ground running and make some of their most drastic moves early, Hirsch says Wall Street is prepared to adjust, which leaves him more concerned with how the market will perform late in the term — in 2026 — than he is concerned with what happens close to the election. Adam Rozencwajg, managing partner at Goehring and Rozencwajg — which specializes in investing in natural resources commodities — discusses the recent rally in natural gas and makes the unusual case for it as a play that's adjacent to the artificial intelligence boom. And speaking of "AI-adjacent" investment pote

Dec Mullarkey, head of investment strategy and asset allocation for SLC Investments, says investors are "pretty risk-on," meaning they expect the economy is headed to an environment where rates will settle down at reasonable levels and consumers will keep spending, creating a sound environment for investors. That extends to Europe and some international markets, which will help balance a portfolio that may be impacted by a downturn late in the year, but Mullarkey says any downturn is likely to be a buying opportunity because current conditions can't keep the market down for long. That general market optimism through volatility and a correction is shared by Michele Schneider, director of trading education at MarketGauge.com, who expects heightened volatility but who sees the market likely being higher at the end of the year, with 6,000 — up about 8 percent from current levels on the Standard & Poor's 500 — being a level the market will challenge. Plus, Jonathan Smucker, portfolio manager at Marietta Invest

Bob Doll, chief investment officer at Crossmark Global Investments, says that stock market valuations are extended to the point where "things need to be nearly perfect to justify those valuation levels." He is finding much better valuations internationally, noting that "Non-U.S. equity markets are cheap relative to the U.S. by an amount we have never seen before," which is why he is suggesting investors start nibbling and dollar-cost averaging into foreign markets now. Doll also reviews his annual list of 10 forecasts for the calendar year and sizes up where his forecasts stand after the mid-year point of the 2024. Doll says the economy is slowing and he expects that to show up in a market downturn before year's end. Michael Urich, chief economist at Seventh Point Analytic Consulting, discusses the latest Business Conditions Survey from the National Association for Business Economics -- released today -- which shows that a record number of respondents reported that their firms had raised prices in the last t

Michael Green, chief strategist at Simplify Asset Management, says that the economy is showing signs of slowing in some ways, while still having some measures being strong, and a lot of it is determined by consumers where the division between the haves and have-nots are growing, and where current conditions hurt people with less money dramatically more than the wealthy. Green says people are confusing the stock market's run to record highs as strength for the economy, which he says is misplaced, but which he says has handcuffed the Federal Reserve on rate cuts because it's hard to say that moves are needed when markets are peaking. In the Talking Technicals segment, Tom Samuelson, chief investment officer at Vineyard Global Advisors, says he'll stay bullish despite expecting a 3 to 5 percent correction now and a 5 to 10 percent dip closer to the election; he's optimistic because "strength begets strength," and a strong first half of the year bodes well for gains in the second half, as does increasing breadth

Peter Repetto, vice president of investment strategy at iCapital, says that while rate cuts historically are good for markets — gaining roughly 9 percent in the year after cuts start historically — they do struggle if cuts are made during times of recession or downturn. Repetto expects a soft landing and moderate downturn, which is setting up for reasonably well for "rate-cut beneficiary" businesses moving forward. Repetto notes that markets also tend to gain in the 12 months after a presidential cycle, saying they tend to gain about 15 percent on average regardless of which party wins control of the White House, which should create a good market for the market if the Federal Reserve starts cutting rates amid a mild slowdown. Ahead of the expected rate cut from the Federal Reserve that is increasingly considered likely for September, Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, looks to the granddaddy of actively managed bond funds for his "ETF of the Week," Mark Hamrick, senior economic analyst at BankRate.

James St. Aubin, chief investment officer at Ocean Park Asset Management, says that as long as the economy "keeps humming along" and meets high expectations for earnings growth and stable balance sheets, the current rally should keep rolling. When that trend breaks, however, the market and economy could turn quickly; St. Aubin sees "some cracks starting to form" with consumers and with some of the economic data, and while a soft landing is possible, any problems are likely to get more painful. Also on the show, Jason Chepenik of OneDigital Retirement + Wealth discusses the firm's 2024 Employee Value Perception Study, which looks at the disconnect between what employers think workers want beyond compensation, and what workers actually are looking for from their employers. Plus, Andrew Graham, founder and portfolio manager at Jackson Square Capital, gives his take on the current market in the Market Call.

Terri Spath, founder and chief investment officer at Zuma Wealth, says that the market is in the early stages of an impressive bull market, noting that the current rally is now about 20 months old and that the market has dramatic gains since hitting lows in October 2022, but she notes that the average bull market runs longer and gains more and there's still plenty of room for that. She says "We're feeling great about this market. We love it from a fundamental standpoint ... and on a technical basis because the trend continues to be up as well." While she does see the potential for a correction, she says the outlook for the rest of the year is strong. Ted Rossman, senior industry analyst at Bankrate.com discusses the site's recent study on side hustles, which found that 36% of American adults have a side hustle, with the average side hustler now making $891 per month. Plus, Chuck answers a listener's question about when to get travel insurance and when to leave home without it.

Michael Mullaney, Director of Global Markets Research at Boston Partners, says that the stock market is trading far enough above moving averages that it's due for a correction on the short term. As that pullback happens, he expects the Federal Reserve to kick in with rate cuts beginning in September, driven more by the jobs report than inflation numbers, but he notes that may not have more than a short-term stimulative effect. Mullaney says that while the broad economy may be able to put off any sort of landing until next year, the bottom quintile of consumers is already living through a recession, which is creating some of the disconnect between solid economic fundamentals but weak consumer sentimentals. Also on the show, Kyle Guske, investment analyst at New Constructs, says Targa Resources is the stock "most likely to miss earnings," which is why it's in The Danger Zone now, plus Brian Glenn, chief investment officer at Premier Path Wealth Partners discusses both ETFs and stocks in the Market Call.

Jerremy Newsome, founder of Real Life Trading, says that with the election looming after the traditional summer-fall doldrums — and having already hit his profit targets for the year — he is about to move 100 percent into cash. "I think it's too easy right now," he says. "We're too high, it's too easy, everything is going straight up ... no reason not to be all up in cash up here for me." Newsome was clear that he's selling into strength and locking in profits, because he does think the market will be going higher once there is more certainty after the election; he expects to have at least half of his money back into stocks by the end of the year. Mark Gatto, co-founder and co-chief executive officer at CION Investment Group — which runs CION Investment Corp., a business-development company — discusses the heavy interest and cash-flow into BDCs and how that is changing the space and making it important for investors and advisers to "pull back the layers to understand what they are investing in," paying partic

Tim Urbanowicz, head of investment strategy and research for the Innovator ETFs, says that the current bull market run has the stock market hitting new highs roughly every four days, which is fast compared even to the Internet bubble days, and while investors are nervous that things must take a turn, he points out that hitting all-time highs has never been a catalyst for a sell-off, and isn't likely to be one now. That makes it crucial for investors to manage risk and balance their fear of loss against their fear of missing out. Innovator makes products that create that balance using options strategies to define potential outcomes and to make returns more certain or that at least remove some of the market's unknowns. Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, uses recent political changes in England as a motivator for his pick as the "ETF of the Week," discussing the additional risks an investor takes by investing in a single-country fund. And deep-value investor Michael Campagna, senior investment analyst

Brent Schutte, chief investment strategist at Northwestern Mutual Wealth Management Co., says the economic cycle is now in its last stages, and while there may be a blow-off top before trouble is here, he expects a recession and he will not be surprised if it occurs after the Federa;l Reserve cuts interest rates. While many observers expect cuts to help markets, Schutte says that the Fed has never been able to  take an overheated economy and cool it without triggering a recession. He added that the last four recessions all occurred shortly after rate cuts. In the Market Call, Ira Rothberg, portfolio manager for the Hennessy Focus Fund, discusses buying great companies at modest discounts, with the courage to hold them for years waiting for the payoff.  Plus, Chuck answers a listener's question on deciding whether pet insurance is a good idea for a new puppy.