Are We Okay?

Business owner Ben Ayers swings by the podcast to talk about leaving Santa Maria based on an Excel spreadsheet, his exit plan to Seattle, how an Asperger's diagnosis helped him understand his father, how we came onto each other's radar, rebelling against his parents by only doing exactly what was expected of him and nothing more, how to get my dad to talk to me, why men stopped crying, annoying his band with another sad song, managing a tour for a band, whether I can be the next Mr. Rogers, the last time he wrote a song, occupation vs. recreation, wanting everyone to like you, friendly faces, sitting at home and reading the Thesaurus, starting a family church, the thought of going to Costco and being judged, doing a lot of nothing in Peru, calling himself an agnostic, disentangling gracefully, a near infinite dataset, trying to stop nonexistent confrontations, changing your mind at least once a day, and not needing to know what happens after this.    Follow him on Instagram: @benjamin_ayers